Here in my final days is my final interview about dreams. It is incredibly poignant as this is the only interview where I am not speaking of the dreams of others. I am speaking of my own dreams. I could have chosen three blissful dreams of sunshine and light (of which I have many.) I chose instead three dreams that brought me pain and fear. I wanted to help others understand that even those painful dreams, especially those painful dreams are wanting to bring us to healing and wholeness. Steve and I step into this sacred territory and he holds the space for me with incredible tenderness. In this interview we found a connection to each other…we barely got going on our relationship as fellow dreamers and I will miss him. You can listen to our interview here
And please keep listening after the music begins at the end for J.M. DeBord’s beautiful reflection about this conversation and Natural Dreamwork..


Mary Jo Heyen is a certified Natural Dreamwork Practitioner who has worked with clients throughout the country and abroad in person, phone or Skype. Learn more about her work with dreams at or